Preface:Sorry in advance for the cheesy reference to the 80's flick with Demi Moore (who I must say, may have been the most beautiful woman on the planet in this movie) and Rob Lowe. After I read this article posted in the CNN.com "living" Section, it prompted me to go home and pull out this movie. Which in the interest of full disclosure, is one of my favorite movies
(not just because Demi Moore is without clothing a large duration of said movie) because this movie is one of the few that I think accurately depicts life for 20 somethings trying to make it "honest". However, this movie frustrates me more than any other "chick flick" on Earth
(probably because it mirrors reality for most). I watch it, and can't help but laugh at Belushi and his sexist remarks (which are great) and how he lies about all of his sexual conquests to impress a younger co-worker (completely typical) then there is Demi (Debbie) and her
"bitch on wheels" roommate. The movie basically revolves around this cast of mental delinquents and if you are a person like me, you watch it halfway laughing and fullway frowning. Because, while the parts of the movie with love and affection and undoubtedly when "Danny" goes back for his "Debbie", you can't help but feel giddy yourself. But the entire middle of the movie you are watching their relationship come unraveled by outside sources and lack of internal understanding of themselves. Dan is a complete dickhead and Debbie has completely unrealistic expectations.
That said, I honestly didn't mean to dissect this movie here, but after just seeing it again and then reading the following article it made me think
"Do people really struggle this much to be happy together?"CNN Article:I hope your cohabitation doesn't end the way two (two!) of mine did -- with helicopters launching off the roof amidst tornadoes of debris and smoke, a single individual hanging off the skids, flipping the bird to the person whose name is on the lease.
There are plenty of good reasons to move in with your significant other. For a man, the primary benefit is that the place where he lives suddenly smells great, like lilacs, and fresh meadows and Care Bear farts. Curtains magically appear, throw rugs sprout, and bed linens are soft enough to butter muffins with.
I'm sure there are plenty of men out there with stylishly furnished apartments and houses, but I'm missing that chromosome. To me, "Ikea" is just Swedish for "International House of Tiny Meatballs."
I could make a fortune if I opened a store for bachelors called "Foam Block Depot," where a single man could purchase all kinds of large-, medium-, and small-sized foam blocks that he could stack into couches, beds, tables and chairs. Spill-proof, soft yet firm, and totally utilitarian -- they'd come in two colors, "industrial" and "medium-rare."
Another positive reason to move in with the girlfriend is that it allows both parties to sample domestic bliss. In both instances of living with a girlfriend, I was surprised at how pleasurable it was to get home from work before her and to start making her favorite dinner.
Or how Sunday mornings were easy, just like the song. There was even a Zen-like comfort in tackling chores together -- I'd take out the trash; she'd do the dishes; we'd both read trashy horror novels while we did our laundry.
But this seemingly mature merger of two adults in love was illusory, as I was out of my depths. In both instances, I made a major commitment without seriously considering the responsibilities.
I have moved in with girlfriends, and we've both kidded ourselves that it was to save money, that our marriage playacting was a smart financial move -- it wasn't and isn't.
This is probably one of the worst lies couples tell themselves when shacking up. If you want to save money, get a roommate. Bind yourself to a lease with someone you aren't emotionally bound to, as money is a landmine in the intoxicating poppy field of romance.
The saving money rationale is a smokescreen obscuring what was probably an impulsive decision made while freebasing love, pheromones, and giddy optimism. And speaking of those three: living together is the fastest way to go from Friday-night lovemaking to Friday-night carbo loading.
I understand the excitement of making a decision that seems like a perfect middle ground between new love and marriage. But the red eye to heartbreak is fueled with sweet nothings.
The worst reason to move in with your main squeeze is to test out whether or not he/she is marriage material. There are no guarantees when it comes to that institution, no beta-test, no half-measures. I've actually said, "We're going to see if we're compatible!" What a superficial thing to say. If I love a woman and am compelled to give her access to my rotten DNA, compatibility is moot. I love her totally, and flaws are part of that equation.
Marriage is another word for "trust." Maybe "trust, plus." It is two people full of doubts, shortcomings, and love holding hands and jumping together. It's a risk, fraught with the potential to fail, and that makes it beautiful. Three-legged races, where two people hop, stumble, get back up, and maybe hit a stride until they fall again. It's funny, frustrating, and the wedding ring is a symbol for the rope tying two legs together.
I've written a lot recently about my folks: They weren't perfect. They fought, bickered, and had some tough years. But I admire their marriage and don't really feel the need to top it. I should have known better than to have doomed two relationships to failure by writing a check my emotional maturity couldn't cash.
Women want weddings too much, men not enough. Women embrace the intimacy; men fear the responsibility. Maybe if we switched those two, women would understand why men sometimes agree to moving in as a way to put off what they think is inevitable, and men would understand why a woman would settle for a major step closer to a cherished event in her life.
I will never move in with another girlfriend, unless I'm pretty damn sure I'm willing to stand with her, in front of friends, family, Zeus, Odin, and Quetzalcoatl, and make the big gamble. Because, man, what a jackpot.
Of course, if I do end up living with my girlfriend, feel free to admonish me. You know, three's the charm. Until then, I just like to pretend her place is my weekend cottage-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Him:I guess I will begin by saying, The fact that this loser Author has incurred two massive failures while attempting to live with his girlfriend speaks volumes about him and his intelligence. But more baffling is his lack of understanding or recognition of failure. First, I am just totally confused as to why you would move your girlfriend in if you weren’t at least 95% positive she was the wife of your future. Moreover, if you needed to move her in to determine that? You are a complete dipshit. Your lack of understanding here is utterly unacceptable and you are the reason it is so damn hard for decent, intelligent men to find women without an entourage worth of baggage. So on behalf of myself and those like me, Fuck you very much, Sir.
You seemingly had zero expectation (similar to “Danny”) as to what changes could and SHOULD occur once you have joined households. Did you think honestly, this was just like having a roommate that doesn’t download porn on your computer? Because, if so, you’re not a smart person. The fact that you acted the first go around like it was just "two heads 1 bed" and you could still go on with your typical day was your failure, but to not recognize it before it was too late or worse yet before you made the EXACT same mistake a SECOND time is completely ridiculous. I understand it was in the interest of humoring your article that you described the “positives” of her moving in as; good smells, food and other useless shit. I get this weird feeling, that you actually thought that to be the positives, not that you would have a person to come home to and discuss your day, a person who you can openly make fun of your friends with and know (if you chose the right girl) she won’t break her silence without massive torture. You have the same girl to come home to and you can instill some much needed consistency to your life. That on a great day, you will have someone to share your joy with and on a sad day there will be a smiling face that can instantly help to mend your sadness (or occasionally she will make you insane – but sometimes a little crazy is healthy). If you need a woman to make your place smell better, I suggest you begin better showering habits
(also note: if you cannot even take care of yourself on a physical level how the shit do you think you can take care or even assist her on ANY level?)You then follow up with a litany of things that are just dreadful about living with your lady of lust…
sorry, I meant love. This I could take in many different directions, but in the interest of eventually linking this blame with the female in question, I will chose common ground. In the movie, Belushi’s character is a Neanderthal (which I admire) but, unfortunately he is also a patheticly shallow man with much loneliness very little contentment in his life. This is evident in his outlandish behavior around bar women or women in general, his tall tales of sexual conquest and his degradation of women from the opening sentence on. Furthermore he needs “Danny” to give himself adequacy by earning the admiration of a younger, better looking, co-worker. Sadly, this is a very common theme among men. They feel this need when they are the down and out guy to seek out other men to bring down to their level (they call it guys night) but really its typically the few single guys that can’t get their shit together and are so inadequate that they need to drag others around them down just so they don’t have to wallow in self pity. Likewise, the better looking guy loves the attention he gets and feels a strange need to bash his girlfriend, in an effort to trivialize their relationship for his friends sake
(quality friends). And why? Because it will impress the male friends (who use you to validate themselves). Tell me, does this make any sense at all? Seriously, is there any rational reason for this? No. there is no reason. It is very stupid behavior. But nonetheless, men like this author get caught up in feeling they have “lost” their freedom or sense of “manhood” because they can’t go out and whistle at skirts all night with their hard-on friend (who literally probably has a sexual batting average well below his own weight).
Just to confirm, you would prefer the freedom to chase girls and booze with lonely and self wallowing men over spending your evenings with a beautiful woman who loves you and who is not only a sure thing, but will always be that sure thing? Got it.
This is infuriatingly stupid.
Her:You my dear, are not without blame here either. You like our male friend allow your friends and ex’s to share the same stage as your beau. I am sorry if you think that is acceptable, but it just isn’t. Like I said with the guy, your expectations must be accurately judged and thus your hand played accordingly, same for you too. You have to understand that
(especially on a rough day) your man will NOT respond well to the threats of some other guy who thinks he is going to sneak in the back door or some “guy friend” who offers a little too much friendship. In this case, if I am the guy, I grab him by his pencil thin neck and make him acknowledge how near death he is
(I also believe this is well within my rights). Most men are no different than four legged creatures, we are territorial, piss outdoors and you should know that by now. You probably got away with that shit when you dated
(but don’t confuse it, he wanted to murder them then too – just didn’t want to blow his cover). Now you SHARE a home, so that shit, has to stop, unless of course you don’t mind if he invites his big fake-titted friend over for morning waffles?
“hey babe, were just friends (said with a smirk)”. So cut the shit, lose the guy friend at least around your partner with whom you plan to wed. Then you have your girlfriends like
“Joan – the bitch on wheels” from the movie. She is so pathetic and unhappy that she cannot help but destroy anything you have, that is better than hers. It's her life's blood source. She will bring in tension, she will always take sides and without fail bash your boyfriend. When she isn’t busy doing that, she will trivialize all the little niceties of your romance (e.g. date night, sandwich night, the cute little quirks, etc.). why? Because it just isn’t in her best interest to see you succeed where she has failed and most importantly, if you move on, where does that leave her? Out in the fucking trash bin, that’s where
(and if you asked me, that’s where she belongs). You have got to know how to contain your friends just like the guy does. He
CANNOT allow himself to act or react based on earning the “respect” of his peers or he is doomed to fail and hurt the girl he actually loves. Similarly, the girl has got to be able to keep her distance from friends that are detrimental to the team effort. She cannot allow her boyfriend to become the butt of the girls jokes or to allow “their” relationship to be marginalized by outsiders. Because what is said, eventually becomes what is thought which eventually becomes what is.
The girl in this also has the tendency to come in to the newly shared address like Stalin’s Red Army. She tries to change her guy and “domesticate” him from the word go. Foolishly not knowing that his wild streak or spirit is what she is most attracted to. So while she house breaks him, she actually becomes less attracted to him because he is no longer unpredictable and fun, then you match that up with the fact he is a son-of-bitch now, because you stole his identity from him, it is pretty obvious this is headed for the skids already.
Changing him will not do you any good what so ever. modifying patterns however, are fine, especially if you do it together.
For example; if he does after work drinks on a couple nights a week, try joining him one of the nights and on the other, convince your own friends to go out for dinner or something. This way you both have conceded a little. Both of you should agree on a decent time to be home because if you want to have a strong union it is important to at the very least cover the day in brief prior to going to bed (surely this can’t happen all the time, but certainly 90+%). You both need to have your own identity so splitting the days up verbally first is a great idea, why should you both have completely separate lives? That is dumb, why live together even?
(If all you want to do is screw, then just find a cheap motel somewhere between your apartments). I think it strengthens the trust when the guy knows and is comfortable with the girls friends and vice versa. So, alternate between "his and hers" nights, 1 week her friends, 1 week his, invite both to all parties
(if you have friends who don't get along. tough shit, they are grown ups, tell them to "fuck or walk") . It's important you never break these rules either, because then you begin to keep score and it falls apart. Just make sure it’s an even split and don’t bitch when it’s not your turn. You are 25 years old or more, you aren’t 7, it’s time you learn to share and be an accountable adult.
Lastly, on the blame absorbed by her, there are a few moments in the movie where “Debbie” mentions
"living with Dan" is like two kids playing house. That is something I think often stems from the women trying to instantly duplicate their mothers house, certainly that was the case in the movie. Move in, paint the walls, change the carpet & set a schedule. Playing wife isn’t really a great idea until you are actually “his wife” and even then, you may want to keep that contained. Obviously, you want to make a warm home and you are in fact the female “wife figure” of the home, but that doesn’t mean in a week we have "his and hers" baths, drapes & new linens. Take your time. It takes two people to build a household representative of themselves. Which in my mind, is the essence of their relationship as a whole, to create a home together. You can’t just move in and take over and "play house" because it will piss him off, abruptly change the tone of the relationship and probably blow up in your face.
Us:There of course is the end result of “Us” in this equation. I am honestly not sure how both men and women do not know this stuff already, because to be honest, it seems pretty obvious and self explanatory. But it certainly appears to not be too obvious for most people seeing as; the divorce rate is off the charts, I hear about couples breaking up almost more than I hear about the Cubs losing baseball games, the movie was so realistic it gave the jitters and the above referenced article was clearly a guy with lots of experience in life failure.
All in all, I have to say, a huge part of the success comes down to meeting the right person for you. But, it’s not the only factor, it is just one of many. If you cannot understand what it takes to live with another person, specifically your partner, you probably ought to stay away from that for a long time because you are clearly an adolescent. If you don’t desire to sacrifice for another and work together cleaning up your messes than you are not even really ready for a girlfriend, let alone a wife (or live-in). It just confuses the hell out of me as to how people can be so fucking oblivious to everything that goes on around them. Do men really feel like they are threatened by a girlfriend or wife? They really have the urge to go chase ass? Seriously, at your peak skill level, you couldn’t possibly have had quality scores
( ≥7.5 /10) better than 40% of your times going out, now even less so. Is it really that exciting, chasing some skank that chose you simply because, well, you were there at the time? I just don’t understand it. I can’t understand men that validate themselves by their earning power or how much ass they can collect, most of which is simply out of happenstance. I personally would do just about anything to get out of chasing ass at bars and create some consistency but it seems that most of the girls out there are just about as blind as the men.
It’s no wonder everybody is fucked up.The women in this article or in the movie make me laugh even more than the men. Because at least the men are stupid and easy to figure out. You ladies literally fool yourselves. It’s almost sad
(if it weren’t so damn funny). Literally, all of you cry about how badly you want
“insert name or type of guy” then when you have him, you immediately try to change him or housebreak him, turning him into an entirely different person, then as a result you get a guy who is not only half the man he used to be, he is ill tempered because he got neutered. For his trouble,
do you know what he gets? Um, either cheated on or forced out.
And do you care to know why? Because he has
“changed" he isn’t the guy
"I thought he was". Are you fucking serious?This is what happens when you are not particularly intelligent nor well thoughtout and you meet a guy that meets all of the traits you seem to desire, but you never actually took the time to see if those traits can coexist with you. In fact, you probably didn’t even take the time to understand yourself at all. So literally you are lost all around, then you look to other lost girlfriends with jealous motives to help assist you. If you need a slide rule to figure this out, what I am saying is…
you create your own problems. You scout wrong, you draft poorly, you over-develop your prospects and your outcome is generally predictably bad.
Success is a pretty simple recipe:Before dating another, figure out; who you are, whether you are a planner or not, traveler or not, want children or not & what lifestyle you desire to achieve
(that eliminates at least 2/3 of the potential suitors right there). Then learn to share with others
(2nd grade), Learn to listen and follow directions
(3rd grade), develop rational thoughts and ideals that you won’t deviate from
(college), observe others fail and laugh while taking notes
(your entire life) & DON’T PLAY GAMES WITH PEOPLE!